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	<description>On Hellenic polytheism, urban life, and Modernism</description>
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		<title>Comment on Quick Memo to the Pagan Community by Pax</title>
		<link>http://urbanhellenistos.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/quick-memo-to-the-pagan-community/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>Pax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 May 2009 13:10:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I cannot summon quite the eloquence of the previous posters, I can say I wish this little video were required watching within the Pagan community.  It is a little tiresome to run into folks whose minds are so open that a portion of their brain mass has apparently fallen right out!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I cannot summon quite the eloquence of the previous posters, I can say I wish this little video were required watching within the Pagan community.  It is a little tiresome to run into folks whose minds are so open that a portion of their brain mass has apparently fallen right out!!!</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quick Memo to the Pagan Community by Siegfried Goodfellow</title>
		<link>http://urbanhellenistos.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/quick-memo-to-the-pagan-community/#comment-75</link>
		<dc:creator>Siegfried Goodfellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:58:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Requiring evidence before accepting claims&quot;.

First of all, it should be noted that a claim has been made. One can assess the sincerity and trustworthiness of the person making the claim. If the claim is about their experience, the report of their experience should be handled as such.

At this point in time, there is no place -- if one is TRULY open-minded -- to EITHER dispute OR accept the claim. The proper response is an agnostic one, not a hostile one. In other words, &quot;I don&#039;t know.&quot; You don&#039;t yet know about this claim. You can express a mixture of both interest and skepticism. &quot;I&#039;ve never experienced anything like this before myself, so I have no experience with which to compare it. Can you tell me more about this experience?&quot;

I still think the approach in this video constitutes reality-policing, which is close-minded. It&#039;s perfectly fine to speak about things which are inside and outside your experience, but to make presumptions against claims outside your experience simply because they lie outside your experience is completely illogical.

This video makes some very good points, but it still edges up against scientism, and that&#039;s annoying.

Being skeptical of skepticism is a COMPLETELY rational and acceptable stance. I don&#039;t see any irony in it at all. It has to do with proportion.

Being eager to disbelieve is no more virtuous or correct than being eager to believe. Calling people &quot;gullible&quot; because they are willing to believe something may simply at times demonstrate a subjective preference for disbelief, which is an easy, unthoughtful way of approaching things.

The fallacy in the idea that &quot;once enough evidence accumulates&quot; one can reconsider is that those who are eager to disbelieve will never do the followup work to demonstrate its existence! People don&#039;t data-collect about things they don&#039;t believe exist! It takes some level of at least hypothetical advocacy, rather than kneejerk condemnation, to be able to continue to accumulate the evidence necessary for dogminded skeptics to reevalute.

These caveats said, the author of the video makes a lot of good points, especially about people reconsidering ideas they automatically dismiss. This is a good exercise for us all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Requiring evidence before accepting claims&#8221;.</p>
<p>First of all, it should be noted that a claim has been made. One can assess the sincerity and trustworthiness of the person making the claim. If the claim is about their experience, the report of their experience should be handled as such.</p>
<p>At this point in time, there is no place &#8212; if one is TRULY open-minded &#8212; to EITHER dispute OR accept the claim. The proper response is an agnostic one, not a hostile one. In other words, &#8220;I don&#8217;t know.&#8221; You don&#8217;t yet know about this claim. You can express a mixture of both interest and skepticism. &#8220;I&#8217;ve never experienced anything like this before myself, so I have no experience with which to compare it. Can you tell me more about this experience?&#8221;</p>
<p>I still think the approach in this video constitutes reality-policing, which is close-minded. It&#8217;s perfectly fine to speak about things which are inside and outside your experience, but to make presumptions against claims outside your experience simply because they lie outside your experience is completely illogical.</p>
<p>This video makes some very good points, but it still edges up against scientism, and that&#8217;s annoying.</p>
<p>Being skeptical of skepticism is a COMPLETELY rational and acceptable stance. I don&#8217;t see any irony in it at all. It has to do with proportion.</p>
<p>Being eager to disbelieve is no more virtuous or correct than being eager to believe. Calling people &#8220;gullible&#8221; because they are willing to believe something may simply at times demonstrate a subjective preference for disbelief, which is an easy, unthoughtful way of approaching things.</p>
<p>The fallacy in the idea that &#8220;once enough evidence accumulates&#8221; one can reconsider is that those who are eager to disbelieve will never do the followup work to demonstrate its existence! People don&#8217;t data-collect about things they don&#8217;t believe exist! It takes some level of at least hypothetical advocacy, rather than kneejerk condemnation, to be able to continue to accumulate the evidence necessary for dogminded skeptics to reevalute.</p>
<p>These caveats said, the author of the video makes a lot of good points, especially about people reconsidering ideas they automatically dismiss. This is a good exercise for us all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quick Memo to the Pagan Community by Siegfried Goodfellow</title>
		<link>http://urbanhellenistos.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/quick-memo-to-the-pagan-community/#comment-74</link>
		<dc:creator>Siegfried Goodfellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Apr 2009 07:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I examine spiritual experiences critically and open-mindedly before concluding that it was spiritual and not something completely mundane or ordinary. That’s simply what open-mindedness is: The willingness to consider other possibilities or perspectives as well as new ones before forming one’s own conclusions.&quot;

But it would seem that you have formed your own conclusion -- that it is mundane or ordinary -- before it is spiritual.

I, of course, absolutely agree with critical thinking ; however, criticism can go way overboard, and a phenomenological approach requires true open-mindedness which SUSPENDS JUDGEMENT -- INCLUDING CRITICAL JUDGEMENT -- until one has fully digested the phenomenon. THEN, follow-up analysis can critically examine the phenomenon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I examine spiritual experiences critically and open-mindedly before concluding that it was spiritual and not something completely mundane or ordinary. That’s simply what open-mindedness is: The willingness to consider other possibilities or perspectives as well as new ones before forming one’s own conclusions.&#8221;</p>
<p>But it would seem that you have formed your own conclusion &#8212; that it is mundane or ordinary &#8212; before it is spiritual.</p>
<p>I, of course, absolutely agree with critical thinking ; however, criticism can go way overboard, and a phenomenological approach requires true open-mindedness which SUSPENDS JUDGEMENT &#8212; INCLUDING CRITICAL JUDGEMENT &#8212; until one has fully digested the phenomenon. THEN, follow-up analysis can critically examine the phenomenon.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quick Memo to the Pagan Community by Ruadhan</title>
		<link>http://urbanhellenistos.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/quick-memo-to-the-pagan-community/#comment-70</link>
		<dc:creator>Ruadhan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 03:26:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it necessarily was meant or intends to be taken that way.

Basically, an unscientific concept is one that either a) has been tested by science and proved false (the anecdote with the lamp given in the video, wherein his neighbour was portrayed as believing a ghost was moving it when, in fact, applying scientific method to test this hypothesis -- beginning with observation and noticing a small fan that had accidentally been turned on -- proved this was not the case) OR b) is a concept that simply cannot be tested by science, such as the existence of a God or many Gods.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it necessarily was meant or intends to be taken that way.</p>
<p>Basically, an unscientific concept is one that either a) has been tested by science and proved false (the anecdote with the lamp given in the video, wherein his neighbour was portrayed as believing a ghost was moving it when, in fact, applying scientific method to test this hypothesis &#8212; beginning with observation and noticing a small fan that had accidentally been turned on &#8212; proved this was not the case) OR b) is a concept that simply cannot be tested by science, such as the existence of a God or many Gods.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Quick Memo to the Pagan Community by Apuleius Platonicus</title>
		<link>http://urbanhellenistos.wordpress.com/2009/04/21/quick-memo-to-the-pagan-community/#comment-69</link>
		<dc:creator>Apuleius Platonicus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 22 Apr 2009 02:08:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the very first sentence this video assumes that there is such a thing as &quot;non-scientific concepts&quot;, but it is obvious that &quot;non-scientific concepts&quot; here is used as just a convenient catch-all for any ideas the maker of video disagrees with.

I think it is fair to assume that Johannes Kepler and Isaac Newton were adepts at &quot;scientific thinking&quot;, but they were both deeply religious men who devoted much of their lives to serious investigation of Esoteric ideas that the maker of this video would certainly label as &quot;non-scientific&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the very first sentence this video assumes that there is such a thing as &#8220;non-scientific concepts&#8221;, but it is obvious that &#8220;non-scientific concepts&#8221; here is used as just a convenient catch-all for any ideas the maker of video disagrees with.</p>
<p>I think it is fair to assume that Johannes Kepler and Isaac Newton were adepts at &#8220;scientific thinking&#8221;, but they were both deeply religious men who devoted much of their lives to serious investigation of Esoteric ideas that the maker of this video would certainly label as &#8220;non-scientific&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hellenismos and Politics by Donald</title>
		<link>http://urbanhellenistos.wordpress.com/2008/12/12/hellenismos-and-politics/#comment-57</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In an irony worthy of a playwrite, I&#039;m a pagan/polytheist that happens to be somewhere to the far right of Michael Savage.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In an irony worthy of a playwrite, I&#8217;m a pagan/polytheist that happens to be somewhere to the far right of Michael Savage.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Poll:  Where Do Hellenistai Live? by Donald</title>
		<link>http://urbanhellenistos.wordpress.com/2008/10/15/poll-where-do-hellenistai-live/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>Donald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Apr 2009 20:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I live wherever the Army decides I will.  Right now it&#039;s in Killeen, Tx.  A horrible town filled with equally horrible people.  I&#039;m looking forward to Colorodo Springs, Co, where my brigade i relocating, soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I live wherever the Army decides I will.  Right now it&#8217;s in Killeen, Tx.  A horrible town filled with equally horrible people.  I&#8217;m looking forward to Colorodo Springs, Co, where my brigade i relocating, soon.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Hellenistai Chat by Hellenistai Chat « Urban Hellenistos</title>
		<link>http://urbanhellenistos.wordpress.com/2009/03/29/hellenistai-chat/#comment-55</link>
		<dc:creator>Hellenistai Chat « Urban Hellenistos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Mar 2009 22:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Hellenistai Chat « Urban Hellenistos [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Hellenistai Chat « Urban Hellenistos [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Colours by Pietra</title>
		<link>http://urbanhellenistos.wordpress.com/2009/03/22/colours/#comment-53</link>
		<dc:creator>Pietra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Mar 2009 14:26:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looove your list...
I would like to share some of mine =)

Zeus, we use a lot of goldens and purples.
Ares, has it red and black
Apollon, has yellow and golden and sometimes, faint blue.
Aphrodite, pinks, reds and some greens.
Themis... for some reason... I SEE blue =)
Hefaistos: oranges, golden and dark browns.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looove your list&#8230;<br />
I would like to share some of mine =)</p>
<p>Zeus, we use a lot of goldens and purples.<br />
Ares, has it red and black<br />
Apollon, has yellow and golden and sometimes, faint blue.<br />
Aphrodite, pinks, reds and some greens.<br />
Themis&#8230; for some reason&#8230; I SEE blue =)<br />
Hefaistos: oranges, golden and dark browns.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Balance by Pietra</title>
		<link>http://urbanhellenistos.wordpress.com/2009/03/05/balance/#comment-49</link>
		<dc:creator>Pietra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Mar 2009 01:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here it is in good Portuguese =)
http://stregheriapratica.blogspot.com/2009/03/equilibrio.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here it is in good Portuguese =)<br />
<a href="http://stregheriapratica.blogspot.com/2009/03/equilibrio.html" rel="nofollow">http://stregheriapratica.blogspot.com/2009/03/equilibrio.html</a></p>
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